Comments on: A Glimpse at the “Climategate” Emails https://constructonomics.com/blog/2009/12/13/a-glimpse-at-the-climategate-emails/ A construction industry blog that digs below bedrock Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:55:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Helen https://constructonomics.com/blog/2009/12/13/a-glimpse-at-the-climategate-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-322 Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:55:19 +0000 http://www.constructonomics.com/blog/?p=98#comment-322 Matt, you’re at your most accurate in this post when you state that you “are no genius on the matter.”

A few enlightening tidbits for you: The term “climate change” is used by scientists (and people who have a clue) instead of “global warming” because it is more accurate to the problem at hand. Yes, overall, the earth is getting warmer, but in the short term that means increased variability in climate for a variety of somewhat complicated reasons you could learn about if you bothered to read up on our planet systems. A super simplified example is the fact that warmer air is capable of holding more moisture, which can mean more snowfall in some places. Some incredibly ignorant people point to increased snowfall and blizzards as “proof” that global warming is false, when in fact it indicates the opposite.

My point is that earth systems are complicated, and while we’re always learning more, the people who have devoted their entire careers to studying our planet’s oceans and atmospheres are all saying the same thing: that earth is getting warmer and that we’re contributing to it. I’m more likely to trust those who actually ARE experts on the topic than a construction guru who probably never took a meteorology class in college, let alone got a doctorate in an earth science field.

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By: Gregory Thatcher https://constructonomics.com/blog/2009/12/13/a-glimpse-at-the-climategate-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-249 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:48:29 +0000 http://www.constructonomics.com/blog/?p=98#comment-249 Stop throwing away all that money on your energy bill every month! Alternative energy is the key and you will also be saving the environment.

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By: Forrest https://constructonomics.com/blog/2009/12/13/a-glimpse-at-the-climategate-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-89 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:53:23 +0000 http://www.constructonomics.com/blog/?p=98#comment-89 John,
Thanks for yet another rendition of the NPR / John Stewart / Media Matters talking points. How about at least presenting the other side of the discussion for a little balance and an examination of the issues.
Seems to me that hanging your hat on the “stolen” discussion avoids the issue. All this stuff should be readily available under freedom of information if they are using our resources to study it and want vastly more resources to address it.

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By: Matt https://constructonomics.com/blog/2009/12/13/a-glimpse-at-the-climategate-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-86 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:30:28 +0000 http://www.constructonomics.com/blog/?p=98#comment-86 For every study that you can bring about Climate Change (Global Warming with a NEW name), I can bring a study that says it doesn’t exist. I am no genius on this matter, but what I do know is we really do not know anything. Everything is based on a short speculation of a VERY, VERY tiny portion of Earth’s existence. Also, I know that the Earth goes through periods of time when it is hot and then cold. I also know that the Average American can not afford Green Energy. Solar Power or Wind Power will not cut it, and no one can deny that. In addition, the best source of clean power is Nuclear, but again, the green movement hates it. Also with new EPA standards, Coal Plants and Dual Cycle Plants are almost completely clean. But, those are just facts and who wants any of them. Finally, the green movement is completely going the wrong way. If you want it to be successful, than sell it to Corporate America. As a LEED AP, I understand about building quality structures, but you have to sell them as cheaper and more efficient in the long run. Not by having hippies protesting. Lastly, maybe you need a better spokesman. Not someone who lost an election to George Bush or said that he invented the internet. Get someone that actually understands the science, not a career politician.

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By: Helen https://constructonomics.com/blog/2009/12/13/a-glimpse-at-the-climategate-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-85 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:54:13 +0000 http://www.constructonomics.com/blog/?p=98#comment-85 “Lastly, I find it sad that there is no real debate. None publicly at least. The skeptics are instead told to sit down, shut up, and follow the “settled evidence”. That to me is not science.”

The only reason deniers might be told to “shut up” is because they have absolutely no credibility whatsoever to be questioning the conclusions already drawn by thousands upon thousands of climate scientists at the top of their fields. It always cracks me up to see a petition from “scientists” questioning global warming — they all have their degrees in medicine, the social sciences, or biology; All of which are terrifically important fields, but don’t have much to do with climate change. This is like a geophysicist trying to weigh in on the latest research in heart transplants… they just don’t know what they’re talking about.

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By: Anonymous https://constructonomics.com/blog/2009/12/13/a-glimpse-at-the-climategate-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:32:56 +0000 http://www.constructonomics.com/blog/?p=98#comment-84 @Bart: “The next ice age (1970s)” was a media phenomenon sparked by a single non-scientific article published in NewsWeek, based on one scientist’s musing (not even a hypothesis) that the things they were seeing at the time could, under just the right conditions, instead bring an ice age. His further research showed that it was not likely.

Even at that time, the scientific consensus was that the world was warming, and that by adding layers to the earth’s blanket of CO2, we were likely to warm it further.

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By: Collin https://constructonomics.com/blog/2009/12/13/a-glimpse-at-the-climategate-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-83 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:27:56 +0000 http://www.constructonomics.com/blog/?p=98#comment-83 “We have to realize that oil, and other non-renewable sources of energy are huge, huge, huge, business.”

We must also realize that there is plenty to gain from the other side for financial gain, not just those evil evil oil tycoons. There is also the huge gain of the beauracracies that will tax everyone in order to achieve their “purposes”.

Secondly, anyone who looks closely at those who push these bills can see the overwhelming corruption going on behind closed doors. It doesnt take much to tie the peices together.

Lastly, I find it sad that there is no real debate. None publicly at least. The skeptics are instead told to sit down, shut up, and follow the “settled evidence”. That to me is not science. We are witnessing the greatest attempt of control at a global scale (non-military…at least yet) we have ever seen.

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By: Hank Durod https://constructonomics.com/blog/2009/12/13/a-glimpse-at-the-climategate-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-82 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:47:21 +0000 http://www.constructonomics.com/blog/?p=98#comment-82 I would agree with Bart. The renewable energy people are as trustworthy as the big oil companies. If the scientist weren’t funded by politicians and their findings were truly unbiased I would have a better time buying into the Al Gore’s b.s.

Climategate has better legs Copenhagen.

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By: Bart Fisher https://constructonomics.com/blog/2009/12/13/a-glimpse-at-the-climategate-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-81 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:17:07 +0000 http://www.constructonomics.com/blog/?p=98#comment-81 “This would put the fortunes of many very rich people at risk. And we know that when money is involved, people will at times behave in very strange ways.”

As stated above, the truth will ruin fortunes of either the “non-renewable” or the “renewable” moguls. Both of whom have more to lose than finances. The truth behind global warming, climate change or the next ice age (1970’s) lies somewhere. The truth will never be unearthed, due to the deleting of original scientific information because of “storage limitations”, and the out of context “reporting”.

So, the naysayers have more fuel to add to the “fire” and the upholders have impaired their scientific credibility. Welcome to the solution.

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By: Dave Arver https://constructonomics.com/blog/2009/12/13/a-glimpse-at-the-climategate-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-79 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:32:01 +0000 http://www.constructonomics.com/blog/?p=98#comment-79 Thanks for showing the other side of this story; not that it is likely to have enough legs to compete with the conservative talk shows. Scientific research is seldom as interesting to the general public as a great big scandal. This information is helpful, however, when discussing with peers.

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